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		<title>Comment on A Wadi Runs Through It by Matthew Teller</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/24/a-wadi-runs-through-it/#comment-1099</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Teller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2012 07:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for dropping by, Laylah. Unfortunate indeed...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for dropping by, Laylah. Unfortunate indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crossing Qalandia by Qalandia for kids &#124; A Year On</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2010/01/31/crossing-qalandia/#comment-1098</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qalandia for kids &#124; A Year On]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2012 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] web is full of detailed descriptions of crossing Qalandia. I recommend Matthew Teller&#8217;s.  On my own, I find the journey upsetting and spooky: the narrow metal chutes, just wide enough [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] web is full of detailed descriptions of crossing Qalandia. I recommend Matthew Teller&#8217;s.  On my own, I find the journey upsetting and spooky: the narrow metal chutes, just wide enough [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Wadi Runs Through It by Laylah</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/24/a-wadi-runs-through-it/#comment-1097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Laylah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 22:39:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article on Wadi Hanifa one of my fav places in Riyadh..
The problem with Wadi Hanifa (like all other public places) is that it&#039;s littered with trash. I mean people literally picnic next to piles of crap. Not the nicest sight. the newest areas don&#039;t even have garbage cans in them..
Very unfortunate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article on Wadi Hanifa one of my fav places in Riyadh..<br />
The problem with Wadi Hanifa (like all other public places) is that it&#8217;s littered with trash. I mean people literally picnic next to piles of crap. Not the nicest sight. the newest areas don&#8217;t even have garbage cans in them..<br />
Very unfortunate!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Wadi Runs Through It by Matthew Teller</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/24/a-wadi-runs-through-it/#comment-1095</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Teller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2012 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Tony. Yes, I agree - this kind of approach could work well elsewhere. The problem, though, is the budget! That&#039;s why what the Saudis have done is so worthy of recognition, regardless of precisely why they did it: in essence they&#039;ve handed a billion-odd dollars to (arguably) the world&#039;s best conservation architects and the world&#039;s best engineers... and then stood back to let them get on with it.

For better or worse there aren&#039;t many countries in the world where that&#039;s even possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Tony. Yes, I agree &#8211; this kind of approach could work well elsewhere. The problem, though, is the budget! That&#8217;s why what the Saudis have done is so worthy of recognition, regardless of precisely why they did it: in essence they&#8217;ve handed a billion-odd dollars to (arguably) the world&#8217;s best conservation architects and the world&#8217;s best engineers&#8230; and then stood back to let them get on with it.</p>
<p>For better or worse there aren&#8217;t many countries in the world where that&#8217;s even possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Wadi Runs Through It by Tony Howard</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/24/a-wadi-runs-through-it/#comment-1091</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Howard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 17:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good story Mathew. And as you rightly say good that it benefits people as well as being good for wildlife conservation.  Much for Jordan to learn though fortunately the best Jordanian developments seem to come grass roots up rather than top down!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good story Mathew. And as you rightly say good that it benefits people as well as being good for wildlife conservation.  Much for Jordan to learn though fortunately the best Jordanian developments seem to come grass roots up rather than top down!</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Wadi Runs Through It by Matthew Teller</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/24/a-wadi-runs-through-it/#comment-1090</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Teller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 16:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting thought, Zora. That&#039;s what I was trying to get at, with the idea about environmental conservation benefiting society as a whole. Regardless of how it comes about, or who pays for it, green is good. People need it. As long as parkland (of any kind) has no entry restrictions placed on it - no fences, no closing hours, no admission price - it will always end up for everybody.

That&#039;s my pet theory, anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting thought, Zora. That&#8217;s what I was trying to get at, with the idea about environmental conservation benefiting society as a whole. Regardless of how it comes about, or who pays for it, green is good. People need it. As long as parkland (of any kind) has no entry restrictions placed on it &#8211; no fences, no closing hours, no admission price &#8211; it will always end up for everybody.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my pet theory, anyway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Wadi Runs Through It by Zora O'Neill (@zoraoneill)</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/24/a-wadi-runs-through-it/#comment-1089</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zora O'Neill (@zoraoneill)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2012 14:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, would _love_ to! So interesting. Haven&#039;t yet had time to think about finagling a Saudi visa, though.

This has lots of parallels to the Aga Khan-funded Al-Azhar Park project in Cario, in terms of how much it benefits the community. When I first visited, it really seemed like a gross elitist resort, but on this last visit it looked like it has integrated a lot better with the community at the edge, and I think the success of the park helped push other major fixes elsewhere in the medieval city (though it&#039;s not like the government really did it--I think it&#039;s all been with foreign funding).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, would _love_ to! So interesting. Haven&#8217;t yet had time to think about finagling a Saudi visa, though.</p>
<p>This has lots of parallels to the Aga Khan-funded Al-Azhar Park project in Cario, in terms of how much it benefits the community. When I first visited, it really seemed like a gross elitist resort, but on this last visit it looked like it has integrated a lot better with the community at the edge, and I think the success of the park helped push other major fixes elsewhere in the medieval city (though it&#8217;s not like the government really did it&#8211;I think it&#8217;s all been with foreign funding).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Independent travel in Israel by Lisa Attias</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/04/25/independent-travel-in-israel/#comment-1086</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Attias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 12:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first time I went to Israel, with my then  Israel fiance, I spotted some sabra fruit growing by a  dusty road side. It took me about about 3 days to get the tiny thorns outside of my hands. I&#039;ve been on many more stony trails in this complicated country (ies) in the last couple of decades, and found your articles enlightening and gently hopeful. Thank you!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first time I went to Israel, with my then  Israel fiance, I spotted some sabra fruit growing by a  dusty road side. It took me about about 3 days to get the tiny thorns outside of my hands. I&#8217;ve been on many more stony trails in this complicated country (ies) in the last couple of decades, and found your articles enlightening and gently hopeful. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Tales from the guidebook graveyard : some unfamiliar place</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/01/overguiding-notes-from-a-gilded-cage/#comment-1085</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tales from the guidebook graveyard : some unfamiliar place]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 22:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and best travel app taking our conscious away from the reason why we travel in the first place? As Matthew Teller quite pointedly put it: &#8216;Put the damn phone away. Talk to the bedouin. Look at the road. If there is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and best travel app taking our conscious away from the reason why we travel in the first place? As Matthew Teller quite pointedly put it: &#8216;Put the damn phone away. Talk to the bedouin. Look at the road. If there is [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Get on the bus by Lisa Attias (@lisa_attias)</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2011/10/06/get-on-the-bus/#comment-1083</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa Attias (@lisa_attias)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 14:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I laughed when I read about a Bedouin Bus. This is because I have spent many an hour arriving at the border at Taba negotiating with bedouin taxi drivers, who then insist on metamorphosising their vehicles into buses to squeeze in the traveller-who -will -arrive- any- minute.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I laughed when I read about a Bedouin Bus. This is because I have spent many an hour arriving at the border at Taba negotiating with bedouin taxi drivers, who then insist on metamorphosising their vehicles into buses to squeeze in the traveller-who -will -arrive- any- minute.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mad and bad by Tom Powers</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/03/mad-and-bad/#comment-1082</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Powers]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 22:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew: Very interesting post.

The sinkholes are a troubling phenomenon indeed, and to advance a major development program without first taking concrete actions to stabilize both the water level and the shoreline is, as you say, quite mad. The geological process behind the sinkholes is interesting: As the northern basin of the sea continues to drop precipitously, less saline water intrudes into the shore areas and simply dissolves them from underneath -- not surprisingly, they are composed largely of salt.

At Ein Bokek the situation is completely different: Not only do the shallow evaporation ponds stand in their entirety many metres above the level of the northern basin, but their water level  is constantly RISING. This is so counter-intuitive that when it was explained to us in our guide course I found it quite intriguing!

Here&#039;s how it works: Over the several decades of mineral extraction, untold tons of unwanted compounds have also precipitated out and accumulated on the floor of the shallow pools. In short, the pools fill up with residue at quite a rapid rate. So, In order to maintain pools with a certain depth of water, ever-higher dikes or berms (of salt!) are required. The entire installation, then, is rising in elevation over time -- the floor of the pool, the surface of the water, and the enclosing dikes -- until today the water feeding the pools is pumped UP, I believe 15 or 20 metres in elevation, from the northern basin of the Dead Sea. 

You can see the implications for the Ein Bokek tourism infrastructure. The steadily rising water levels are already encroaching upon the hotels and endangering their foundations. Indeed, not long ago, your suggestion of razing the Ein Bokek hotels was under serious consideration! In the end, however, the State of Israel seems to have reached an agreement with the Dead Sea Works company to dredge out the pools to keep the water at bay.

TOM POWERS / Jerusalem]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew: Very interesting post.</p>
<p>The sinkholes are a troubling phenomenon indeed, and to advance a major development program without first taking concrete actions to stabilize both the water level and the shoreline is, as you say, quite mad. The geological process behind the sinkholes is interesting: As the northern basin of the sea continues to drop precipitously, less saline water intrudes into the shore areas and simply dissolves them from underneath &#8212; not surprisingly, they are composed largely of salt.</p>
<p>At Ein Bokek the situation is completely different: Not only do the shallow evaporation ponds stand in their entirety many metres above the level of the northern basin, but their water level  is constantly RISING. This is so counter-intuitive that when it was explained to us in our guide course I found it quite intriguing!</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s how it works: Over the several decades of mineral extraction, untold tons of unwanted compounds have also precipitated out and accumulated on the floor of the shallow pools. In short, the pools fill up with residue at quite a rapid rate. So, In order to maintain pools with a certain depth of water, ever-higher dikes or berms (of salt!) are required. The entire installation, then, is rising in elevation over time &#8212; the floor of the pool, the surface of the water, and the enclosing dikes &#8212; until today the water feeding the pools is pumped UP, I believe 15 or 20 metres in elevation, from the northern basin of the Dead Sea. </p>
<p>You can see the implications for the Ein Bokek tourism infrastructure. The steadily rising water levels are already encroaching upon the hotels and endangering their foundations. Indeed, not long ago, your suggestion of razing the Ein Bokek hotels was under serious consideration! In the end, however, the State of Israel seems to have reached an agreement with the Dead Sea Works company to dredge out the pools to keep the water at bay.</p>
<p>TOM POWERS / Jerusalem</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Tales from the guidebook graveyard &#171; some unfamiliar place</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/01/overguiding-notes-from-a-gilded-cage/#comment-1079</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tales from the guidebook graveyard &#171; some unfamiliar place]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 19:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] and best travel app taking our conscious away from the reason why we travel in the first place? As Matthew Teller quite pointedly put it: &#8216;Put the damn phone away. Talk to the bedouin. Look at the road. If there is [...]]]></description>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by alastairhumphreys</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/01/overguiding-notes-from-a-gilded-cage/#comment-1078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[alastairhumphreys]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2012 12:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really agree with this and yearn for travel experiences based entirely on spontaneity, serendipity, wanderlust (and every other long word I can think of!).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really agree with this and yearn for travel experiences based entirely on spontaneity, serendipity, wanderlust (and every other long word I can think of!).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Richard Trillo</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/01/overguiding-notes-from-a-gilded-cage/#comment-1074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Trillo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 23:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Such a timely post Matthew, and in many ways I agree with you, but I think you&#039;re being a little hard on the publishers! They don&#039;t have any better idea than you or I how to avert the ongoing decline in sales. Yes, we can say to them: let authors focus on our core strengths of good writing and a truly open mind to the joys of travel and discovery. But reps still have to sell our books. The sales people have to be convinced that what they&#039;re selling can compete with every other list. And there&#039;s no question that competition between the publishers, and fear of being left behind as new digital platforms arrive, has driven them to this obsession with creating nuggets of hard information (even if it&#039;s sometimes spurious as you rightly point out), that few if any readers are ever likely to read, let alone use. Hence: phone numbers for fast food stalls, exact prices where there are none, street addresses for for the huge cathedral dominating the town. . .All intended to populate the digital platforms that are still not quite there yet.

To judge by decades of readers&#039; emails (though nowhere near as much correspondence as in the aerogram heyday of the late 80s when I used to bring home box loads from the office) I&#039;m convinced that at least 90 per cent of guide book readers only ever read 10 per cent of the guide, and if you spend any time on the country forums at Trip Advisor or the Thorn Tree, the focus of those users on the same bog-standard list of targets in any country or city is clearer still. 

So the publishers are right, to a large extent, to be putting the weight of their efforts into the areas that most people seem interested in - few choices, more copycat styling so that the guides are increasingly indistinguishable. The only problem with that approach is that those same areas are precisely the ones that are covered in such apparent detail on a million websites. And if all the travel info you need is available online, for free - right? as  we&#039;re always being told - why would you buy a guide?

We travel authors need to look to the expertise we have and use it/sell it as well as we can to the 10 per cent who are prepared to pay for it. Increasingly I think that means getting involved in the business of organising and selling travel, from offering blogs and background text to actually working for tour operators, rather than just commenting from on high in our guides and articles. And maybe we can find a way to compete for eyeballs with the unverifiable mass of Trip Advisor&#039;s output (&quot;the only thing in travel publishing that&#039;s not falling off a cliff&quot; according to one industry cheese, but I think we can all see that) by offering curated expertise from trusted sources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such a timely post Matthew, and in many ways I agree with you, but I think you&#8217;re being a little hard on the publishers! They don&#8217;t have any better idea than you or I how to avert the ongoing decline in sales. Yes, we can say to them: let authors focus on our core strengths of good writing and a truly open mind to the joys of travel and discovery. But reps still have to sell our books. The sales people have to be convinced that what they&#8217;re selling can compete with every other list. And there&#8217;s no question that competition between the publishers, and fear of being left behind as new digital platforms arrive, has driven them to this obsession with creating nuggets of hard information (even if it&#8217;s sometimes spurious as you rightly point out), that few if any readers are ever likely to read, let alone use. Hence: phone numbers for fast food stalls, exact prices where there are none, street addresses for for the huge cathedral dominating the town. . .All intended to populate the digital platforms that are still not quite there yet.</p>
<p>To judge by decades of readers&#8217; emails (though nowhere near as much correspondence as in the aerogram heyday of the late 80s when I used to bring home box loads from the office) I&#8217;m convinced that at least 90 per cent of guide book readers only ever read 10 per cent of the guide, and if you spend any time on the country forums at Trip Advisor or the Thorn Tree, the focus of those users on the same bog-standard list of targets in any country or city is clearer still. </p>
<p>So the publishers are right, to a large extent, to be putting the weight of their efforts into the areas that most people seem interested in &#8211; few choices, more copycat styling so that the guides are increasingly indistinguishable. The only problem with that approach is that those same areas are precisely the ones that are covered in such apparent detail on a million websites. And if all the travel info you need is available online, for free &#8211; right? as  we&#8217;re always being told &#8211; why would you buy a guide?</p>
<p>We travel authors need to look to the expertise we have and use it/sell it as well as we can to the 10 per cent who are prepared to pay for it. Increasingly I think that means getting involved in the business of organising and selling travel, from offering blogs and background text to actually working for tour operators, rather than just commenting from on high in our guides and articles. And maybe we can find a way to compete for eyeballs with the unverifiable mass of Trip Advisor&#8217;s output (&#8220;the only thing in travel publishing that&#8217;s not falling off a cliff&#8221; according to one industry cheese, but I think we can all see that) by offering curated expertise from trusted sources.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Matthew Teller</title>
		<link>http://quitealone.com/2012/05/01/overguiding-notes-from-a-gilded-cage/#comment-1072</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Teller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 12:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[;-) Thanks for that, Stuart.

I agree, cities matter most for this. And I also agree geocodes/longlats will certainly become essential, you&#039;re absolutely right. I said &quot;currently&quot; - meaning, under current payment terms. Collecting them for a guidebook/app is a massive amount of extra work, for which publishers should pay. Just wrapping the task into the current terms is the non-viable bit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>;-) Thanks for that, Stuart.</p>
<p>I agree, cities matter most for this. And I also agree geocodes/longlats will certainly become essential, you&#8217;re absolutely right. I said &#8220;currently&#8221; &#8211; meaning, under current payment terms. Collecting them for a guidebook/app is a massive amount of extra work, for which publishers should pay. Just wrapping the task into the current terms is the non-viable bit.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Stuart McD</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stuart McD]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 11:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, you&#039;re working for the wrong publisher aren&#039;t you ;-)

Cities are where the longlats are important - I agree longlatting (word? - please tell me it isn&#039;t) some desert sand dune is a bit silly, but we do it for waterfalls and general points of interest.

You may consider them to be a non viable addition to the author publisher relationship, but they will become essential to a publisher that wishes to remain viable.

Longlats aside, as I consider them a bit of a special case, more generally I agree that chasing the finer points of data and treating everything as a POI is a bit ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you&#8217;re working for the wrong publisher aren&#8217;t you ;-)</p>
<p>Cities are where the longlats are important &#8211; I agree longlatting (word? &#8211; please tell me it isn&#8217;t) some desert sand dune is a bit silly, but we do it for waterfalls and general points of interest.</p>
<p>You may consider them to be a non viable addition to the author publisher relationship, but they will become essential to a publisher that wishes to remain viable.</p>
<p>Longlats aside, as I consider them a bit of a special case, more generally I agree that chasing the finer points of data and treating everything as a POI is a bit ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Matthew Teller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Teller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 10:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Paul - thanks for a great comment. Dead right. The world looks so SO different from corporate HQ in London...

@Stuart - hahaha! HAHAHA! Brilliant. Love it. &quot;Buy them one&quot;. That&#039;s fantastic. Publisher should just BUY EVERY AUTHOR A SMARTPHONE! Of course! Hahaha. Wooh. They&#039;ll get right on it. I&#039;m sure, straight after buying me a pina colada every afternoon.

;-) You can&#039;t get a paper-clip out of a publisher these days, Stuart.

Sure it&#039;s only a coupla minutes. That&#039;s, say, 50-75 &quot;coupla minutes&quot; per city. Say 8-10 cities in a book. That&#039;s three full 8-hour working days added, per project, just simply recording longlats. Never mind transcribing them into whatever format the publisher is using. And that&#039;s just cities. We haven&#039;t talked about the desert/jungle/outback/offshore islands.

In the current situation, imho that&#039;s not a viable addition to the author-publisher relationship...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Paul &#8211; thanks for a great comment. Dead right. The world looks so SO different from corporate HQ in London&#8230;</p>
<p>@Stuart &#8211; hahaha! HAHAHA! Brilliant. Love it. &#8220;Buy them one&#8221;. That&#8217;s fantastic. Publisher should just BUY EVERY AUTHOR A SMARTPHONE! Of course! Hahaha. Wooh. They&#8217;ll get right on it. I&#8217;m sure, straight after buying me a pina colada every afternoon.</p>
<p>;-) You can&#8217;t get a paper-clip out of a publisher these days, Stuart.</p>
<p>Sure it&#8217;s only a coupla minutes. That&#8217;s, say, 50-75 &#8220;coupla minutes&#8221; per city. Say 8-10 cities in a book. That&#8217;s three full 8-hour working days added, per project, just simply recording longlats. Never mind transcribing them into whatever format the publisher is using. And that&#8217;s just cities. We haven&#8217;t talked about the desert/jungle/outback/offshore islands.</p>
<p>In the current situation, imho that&#8217;s not a viable addition to the author-publisher relationship&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Stuart McD</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2012 10:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While I generally agree, will say particularly with regard to GPS longlats and accom pics, traditional publishers are nuts (or even nuttier than I thought) if they&#039;re not requiring authors to record this info. Equip them with a smartphone (any flavor will do) and it only adds a coupla minutes to the job to snap a streetside shot &amp; stamp the longlat. May seem tedious at first but easy once one gets the hang of it. This is very valuable info longer term regardless of if they&#039;re cooking up apps or not. Author doesn&#039;t have a smartphone? Buy them one. It&#039;s a no brainer.

Otherwise, more generally, totally agree. It&#039;s called a guidebook rather than a gospel book for a reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I generally agree, will say particularly with regard to GPS longlats and accom pics, traditional publishers are nuts (or even nuttier than I thought) if they&#8217;re not requiring authors to record this info. Equip them with a smartphone (any flavor will do) and it only adds a coupla minutes to the job to snap a streetside shot &amp; stamp the longlat. May seem tedious at first but easy once one gets the hang of it. This is very valuable info longer term regardless of if they&#8217;re cooking up apps or not. Author doesn&#8217;t have a smartphone? Buy them one. It&#8217;s a no brainer.</p>
<p>Otherwise, more generally, totally agree. It&#8217;s called a guidebook rather than a gospel book for a reason.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by PaulClammer</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A great post Matthew, it definitely touches a few of my guidebook writing nerves! 

My personal favourite was working on an un-named African country a few years ago and jumping through hoops to find out the name of a road, which was called either &#039;Cathedral Avenue&#039; or &#039;Hospital Avenue&#039; depending on who you asked and where it was you wanted to go. Ultimately meaningless, but gosh the editors hate it if you can&#039;t provide the exact name! 

I&#039;m currently writing a guide for Bradt – since I did my last book with them they&#039;ve actually switched over to the price bracket system for listings instead of exact prices. From a personal point of view I&#039;ve found it quite liberating in terms of research and writing, and not having to worry about whether the rate was seasonal or if I added in the tax to get the final total (which will have changed by the time the book is a year old anyway). I hope that works for the reader. But what I&#039;m really enjoying about their particular format is that while the listings are important, they&#039;re only really a part of it – the text has the space to breathe so I&#039;ve got the chance to dig a bit more into the context of the place, so the reader can get to understand the destination a little better. To me, that feels more important than providing an email address for a dry cleaner or whatever. 

To some degree it&#039;s horses for courses – if you get two travellers together you&#039;ll get three opinions about makes a good guidebook, but I do think that the two big beasts in the jungle are converging and becoming less distinctive. I think the success of the DK Eyewitness guides – with their lists and visually seductive bite-sized snippets has been a big influence here. For my money, over-burdening readers with information for the sake of it isn&#039;t the way to go though, and the &#039;one-size fits all&#039; that these template approaches encourage aren&#039;t always helpful when it comes to distinguishing a guide to Barcelona with a guide to Bolivia, where users have very different needs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great post Matthew, it definitely touches a few of my guidebook writing nerves! </p>
<p>My personal favourite was working on an un-named African country a few years ago and jumping through hoops to find out the name of a road, which was called either &#8216;Cathedral Avenue&#8217; or &#8216;Hospital Avenue&#8217; depending on who you asked and where it was you wanted to go. Ultimately meaningless, but gosh the editors hate it if you can&#8217;t provide the exact name! </p>
<p>I&#8217;m currently writing a guide for Bradt – since I did my last book with them they&#8217;ve actually switched over to the price bracket system for listings instead of exact prices. From a personal point of view I&#8217;ve found it quite liberating in terms of research and writing, and not having to worry about whether the rate was seasonal or if I added in the tax to get the final total (which will have changed by the time the book is a year old anyway). I hope that works for the reader. But what I&#8217;m really enjoying about their particular format is that while the listings are important, they&#8217;re only really a part of it – the text has the space to breathe so I&#8217;ve got the chance to dig a bit more into the context of the place, so the reader can get to understand the destination a little better. To me, that feels more important than providing an email address for a dry cleaner or whatever. </p>
<p>To some degree it&#8217;s horses for courses – if you get two travellers together you&#8217;ll get three opinions about makes a good guidebook, but I do think that the two big beasts in the jungle are converging and becoming less distinctive. I think the success of the DK Eyewitness guides – with their lists and visually seductive bite-sized snippets has been a big influence here. For my money, over-burdening readers with information for the sake of it isn&#8217;t the way to go though, and the &#8216;one-size fits all&#8217; that these template approaches encourage aren&#8217;t always helpful when it comes to distinguishing a guide to Barcelona with a guide to Bolivia, where users have very different needs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Overguiding: notes from a gilded cage by Matthew Teller</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Teller]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2012 20:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many thanks, all, for some great comments.

@valpaparazzi - you&#039;re right, there&#039;s a lot of sameyness out there, but it depends a lot on the editor and/or the publication. Occasionally, a Best Of is just a design-friendly way to slice and dice a destination, covering the same ground as a feature but with bits of prose no longer than a paragraph. Love that or hate it, at least it can tell you something new. Most of the time, though...

@East - fax numbers for restaurants - that&#039;s great!

@connergo - &quot;ditch the guidebook&quot;: essential advice.

@Jules - many thanks for the correction; much appreciated. I hear your point - but it sounds to me like when you print £90 in the book, you&#039;re saying you might actually mean £80 sometimes. And £100 at other times. If it&#039;s £90 only some of the time, why not print Around £90? Or, better still, Around £80-100? And there&#039;s also the issue that prices at Jordanian hotels tend to be a touch more fluid than at Yorkshire B&amp;Bs ;-)

@Hal - it&#039;s a good point. Sometimes knowing less is an asset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks, all, for some great comments.</p>
<p>@valpaparazzi &#8211; you&#8217;re right, there&#8217;s a lot of sameyness out there, but it depends a lot on the editor and/or the publication. Occasionally, a Best Of is just a design-friendly way to slice and dice a destination, covering the same ground as a feature but with bits of prose no longer than a paragraph. Love that or hate it, at least it can tell you something new. Most of the time, though&#8230;</p>
<p>@East &#8211; fax numbers for restaurants &#8211; that&#8217;s great!</p>
<p>@connergo &#8211; &#8220;ditch the guidebook&#8221;: essential advice.</p>
<p>@Jules &#8211; many thanks for the correction; much appreciated. I hear your point &#8211; but it sounds to me like when you print £90 in the book, you&#8217;re saying you might actually mean £80 sometimes. And £100 at other times. If it&#8217;s £90 only some of the time, why not print Around £90? Or, better still, Around £80-100? And there&#8217;s also the issue that prices at Jordanian hotels tend to be a touch more fluid than at Yorkshire B&amp;Bs ;-)</p>
<p>@Hal &#8211; it&#8217;s a good point. Sometimes knowing less is an asset.</p>
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